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[MandyJay]

I just tested your feedback form and it works from this end. Presumably when you say it doenst work you dont get notified someone has sent you feedback.?

MJ

[MandyJay]

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I checked and notepad is the defined editor
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It is not the editor you need to check but the program that checks the View Source. I have Expression Web as my editor but it is notepad that looks at the source code.

MJ

[jimbocol]

Originally Posted by MandyJay

It is not the editor you need to check but the program that checks the View Source. I have Expression Web as my editor but it is notepad that looks at the source code.
MJ

Oh, OK. Not to sound dumb , but where might I find that setting. I looked and looked on the options, and there is nothing that's even close to a setting for the view source. Obviously, I have not checked that setting

Thanks.

[MandyJay]

If all else fails then suggest you reinstall IE as that should fix the problem.

I am not being too helpful here as IE6 is too old for me to remember where things are located etc. IE8 has developer tools where you just click a button and it automatically shows you the source code all neatly laid out and code coloured so you can easily find things. So it has been a long while since I have had to actually deal with a view source.

I cant remember if IE6 has developer tools also. For you to check that right click on toolbar and "customize" and then "add - remove commands" you will see all the avaialbe toolbar options there. If you have a "developer" one then add that to your toolbar.

As far as your default source editor, download this tool http://www.iconico.com/viewSourceEditor/index.aspx I have never used it but I do on a daily basis almost use their screen calipers so I know they are a reputable company. With the small download from that link it will show you what your default view source editor is and it also allows you to change it if you want. There are many text editors out there such as Notepad2 which runs straight from the box or Metapad and several others that give highlighted syntax to make viewing the code easier, you can select any editor to be the default using the iconico download. Even FrontPage if you wanted.

MJ

[jimbocol]

Originally Posted by MandyJay

If all else fails then suggest you reinstall IE as that should fix the problem.

Tried that...no soap

Originally Posted by MandyJay

I am not being too helpful here as IE6 is too old for me to remember where things are located etc. IE8 has developer tools where you just click a button and it automatically shows you the source code all neatly laid out and code coloured so you can easily find things. So it has been a long while since I have had to actually deal with a view source.

No problem. It's not really a crippling problem, besides, I have an edit button that works just fine.

Originally Posted by MandyJay

I cant remember if IE6 has developer tools also. For you to check that right click on toolbar and "customize" and then "add - remove commands" you will see all the avaialbe toolbar options there. If you have a "developer" one then add that to your toolbar.

No, this is does not have that. That is probably something that started with 7.

Originally Posted by MandyJay

As far as your default source editor, download this tool http://www.iconico.com/viewSourceEditor/index.aspx I have never used it but I do on a daily basis almost use their screen calipers so I know they are a reputable company. With the small download from that link it will show you what your default view source editor is and it also allows you to change it if you want. There are many text editors out there such as Notepad2 which runs straight from the box or Metapad and several others that give highlighted syntax to make viewing the code easier, you can select any editor to be the default using the iconico download. Even FrontPage if you wanted.

MJ

I downloaded metapad. I'll let you know how it works Thanks!

[malcolm]

Hello
I note your comments about Win XP SP3 and a common error is made becuase people do not read the notes about installing the update. There are steps to be taken prior to installing so as to avoid problems. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717/ and not following them leads to problems or can do.

As for IE7 and IE8 - they are far more secure than IE6 and they are not 9 years old like IE6. IE6 is so backward in how it reads websites that it holds web development back and there is a campaign for designers to totally stop designing for it so people have to update or not view their favourite website correctly. http://www.nomoreie6.com - it is not a joke site it is totally serious. Also Google announced recently it is no longer going to support IE6 as it is too much trouble and they have already started to exclude them from current developments.

IE6 and WinXP with no security patches is like leaving the front door of a bank open. I repair computers and 92% are down to the people not keeping their programmes and OS up to date with the latest security patches or not having anti virus and keeping that updated. Pure and simple. But as long as you dont keep any sensitive information on your computer it probably doesn't really matter. As long as you dont have any files with passwords in them or bank details or login information or friends email addresses in your contact lists in email programme or any other type of sensitive material then any security holes which you will have wont reveal anything of use to anyone.

So many times I hear people say they have gone 7 years and nothing has gone wrong. Well I smile and say "why have you come to me now".

I cannot stress the seriousness of not updating just because someone has a bad experience of an update which was probably due to the fact that they did not read up on the steps to take before installing but it does not mean one has to stop altogether. One day there will be problems with someone's computer and it will be due to non updating and the problems could be serious.

~ malc ~

[jimbocol]

Originally Posted by malcolm

Hello
I note your comments about Win XP SP3 and a common error is made because people do not read the notes about installing the update. There are steps to be taken prior to installing so as to avoid problems. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717/ and not following them leads to problems or can do.

I am not a novice, and always read the instructions, and take the appropriate steps. What ever gave you the impression that I did not is beyond me. Actually as it turned out, it was some kind of glitch/defect in my CPU chip that when some of the more advanced memory calls that SP3 uses, would return an error, thereby causing a memory leak. IBM/Lenovo Tech support helped me trace it down once I determined it was not a software problem. I replaced the CPU Chip. This time SP3, IE8 both installed without a problem. Then the updates began to flood in. Nearly 5 hours of it, but it's finally all up to date.

Originally Posted by malcolm

As for IE7 and IE8 - they are far more secure than IE6 and they are not 9 years old like IE6. IE6 is so backward in how it reads websites that it holds web development back and there is a campaign for designers to totally stop designing for it so people have to update or not view their favourite website correctly. http://www.nomoreie6.com - it is not a joke site it is totally serious. Also Google announced recently it is no longer going to support IE6 as it is too much trouble and they have already started to exclude them from current developments.

Yes, I've seen notices, and was trying other avenues. I started using Opera, and Firefiox.

Originally Posted by malcolm

IE6 and WinXP with no security patches is like leaving the front door of a bank open. I repair computers and 92% are down to the people not keeping their programmes and OS up to date with the latest security patches or not having anti virus and keeping that updated. Pure and simple. But as long as you dont keep any sensitive information on your computer it probably doesn't really matter. As long as you dont have any files with passwords in them or bank details or login information or friends email addresses in your contact lists in email programme or any other type of sensitive material then any security holes which you will have wont reveal anything of use to anyone.

Just what exactly are you talking about? Who said anything about security patches, Virus Protection and the like? Every Hot Fix that was suggested for Windows and IE6 I installed. There is a big difference between an Update and a Hot Fix, but I'm sure you already know that being the Big-shot expert that you are. I also have commercial grade Anti Virus/Anti spy-ware software, as well as a firewall on both my PC, and router.

I repaired computers too, and was doing so since 1975 until I retired last year as the head of the IT department of a large printing corporation. I also hold a gold seal certification from Novell, as well as a Bachelors in IT Services from Boston College, so what's your point?

Originally Posted by malcolm

So many times I hear people say they have gone 7 years and nothing has gone wrong. Well I smile and say "why have you come to me now".

I don't recall asking for your assistance. This came totally unsolicited.

Originally Posted by malcolm

I cannot stress the seriousness of not updating just because you had a bad experience of an update which was probably due to the fact you did not read up on the steps to take before installing but it does not mean you stop altogether. One day you will get problems with your computer and it will be due to non updating and the problems could be serious.

~ malc ~

I suggest that in the future, before you start spouting off about things you know nothing about, that you take the time to get the facts so that you don't make as big a fool of yourself as you just did. Might I also suggest a spell checker. You can find one at http://www.iespell.com/download.php

Jim.

[malcolm]

jimbocol,

You say this
suggest that in the future, before you start spouting off about things you know nothing about, that you take the time to get the facts so that you don't make as big a fool of yourself as you just did. Might I also suggest a spell checker.
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And that is just what I did do - as you said this in an earlier post

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I am using IE6, 7 or 8 will not run on this system. Tried them both, and both turned out be be a complete disaster.m much like SP-3 for XP. It tore my system up so bad, I had to reformat the drive and reinstall XP fresh. I'll never do another "windows update". That is the fourth time one of their supposed updates/service packs completely destroyed one of my systems.
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A hot fix is an update at least that is how Microsoft bundles them all - as updates and they are then split into categories. But they are all updates. But even if we dont call hot fixes updates then certainly IE7 and IE8 are all updates to previous IE's. So from your posting it looked like you were not "updating" IE6 becuase you just were never going to do any updates again. It is knows that IE6 produces a huge security risk and even with all the hot fixes that IE6 can have it is still not as secure as IE7 or IE8.

It is not my fault that between you posting that and me offering some useful advice that you get your system repaired and then update it to IE8 and SP3. I can only go by the facts as stated in this thread and that is what I did. I certainly do not feel that I am the one that has made a fool of myself!

It did not occur to me that you were a computer repair person as the problem had stayed uncorrected for so long. An assumption I wrongly made. I apologise.

I have obviously offended you and for that I am really sorry and cannot apologise enough. The above paras are purely my reasons for posting what I did. It was also posted as general information for anyone, not just you. As I am sure you are not the only person who has had problems like the ones you had and sometimes it will be a configuration problem, sometimes a virus problem, other times becuase people instal the update believing it installs exactly the same way as others, when it doesnt as the pre tasks are different etc etc. So the posting was to help everyone not just you. I should pehaps have added somewhere "for anyone else reading this with a similar problem" but as it is an open forum I wrongly assumed that would be taken for granted.

All I can do is apologise and that is what I am doing now. I certainly did not mean to offend. Heck there is another forum which is well known in the FP circules as having arrogant people who often offend the members and now seems I have become like one of them ... lol ....

The written word does not portray emotions as the voice does. I have before now pointed this out to others but unfortunately they don't care and just stick two fingers up and carry on being arrogant and bossy and unpleasant at times to other people, they think they can treat people how they want simply becuase they offer free advice. I certainly do not want to belong to that "camp". I will be more careful in future how I choose my words and make it clear who it is aimed at i.e. not necessarily just the poster.

I take on board that how I said what I did etc came across totally differently to how I wanted it to. It was aimed really at everyone reading who might be struggling, and who has far less knowledge that you do. I should have made that clear but didnt. Again I apologise.

You posted on an open forum. So I just responded to one of the problems you had mentioned in the post - you say you did not ask for assistance but you did. The fact remains your problem was with IE6. If you had IE8 you could have used the developer tools. You also said "Okay all you Windows XP IE Explorer 6x gurus out there" - so my reading of your request was that you did ask for help and you asked for anyones help and the help was for IE6 and WinXP. My response was about IE6 and WinXP, so I feel totally justified in posting what I did. You seemed reluctant to update your IE6 to IE8 or even IE7 and that would have solved the problem. I just wanted to point out - to anyone - that not updating either OS or IE could leave one open to greater problems.

I will be more careful in future as to how my written words come across. Certainly I never intended to offend, it was as I said earlier meant to be helpful comments to anyone reading, not just yourself. I did not make that clear and should have. If I had done that, then I am sure offense would not have been taken.

So again .. my apologies. I will be more careful in future how I word my posts.

~ Malc ~

[MandyJay]

I do not want this thread to turn into a war of words, so it is now a closed thread.

Jimbocol
From what you have written in your posts I think everyone would think you still ran IE6 and WinXP with no SP3 as you never said you updated it. Also I do not think anyone would be aware you were a computer repairman if you had gone for so long not repairing your own computer even when retired.

I appreciate that what Malcolm said you took personally and you felt you needed to respond. Malc actually detests people who are arrogant and bossy and try to thrust their views on people without giving them choices, so I find this exchange of post quite funny in a way (though I appreciate you see no funny side at all). As Malcolm has often berated other people on other forums for the way they treat forum members, and now he is being berated himself. I would hasten to add though that Malcolm obviously accepts he offended and why and apologises, which is totally different to the people he berates who are not at all apologetic etc and don't care about other people's feelings.

Malcolm did actually PM me to offer me an apology also for upsetting the forum board. We pride ourselves on zero tolerance for arrogance, bossiness, rudeness and of course spamming and other stuff!! So I also appreciated Malcolm's apology.

I have known Malcolm for around 12 years as we both attend similar types of conventions etc and I can assure you he is the nicest, kindest most helpful person I have ever had the honour to meet. So I know his apology is genuine and his intentions for the original post were to offer help to everyone.

I appreciate that you felt you had to respond to Malcolms posting, but I am not sure that being so blatantly rude was the answer, in fact it wasn't.

There is no excuse to be so blatantly rude to someone in such a nasty way even if you feel they have offended you. At least Malcolm did not intend to offend, on the other hand you obviously intended to be rude and offensive, that is jut not acceptable.

I am closing this thread so a war does not ensue. Perhaps we all need to take steps back at times and try and see how other people see us and how we post. I know I have in the past seemed frustrated with people when trying to help them and they have said so - they have not been rude and insulting but just nicely asked me. I have been quick to point out that I have not been frustrated but maybe pushed for time or whatever so some posts have come across as blunt and to the point. We have been able to resolve a potential "war of the words" simply by being polite to eachother. I have to say it does also somewhat surprise me that you went for so many years without repairing your own computer even after you retired. And with all the computer quallifications you have and being a computer repair person for over 30 years and head of IT for a large company, that you had to resort to asking IBM to help you solve your puter problem.

Everyone ... if there are disagreements, at least be polite to eachother and show respect. If you get offended by the way a post is made, then politely make your point. There is no excuse for being rude, that is just plain bad manners.

Group hugs now folks .....
MJ