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spollin
04-04-2002, 02:26 AM
i remember someone (MJ maybe?) posting in 'the other forum' (shudder!) a list of all the META tags and what they do - would be very useful to read that again!
justjay
04-04-2002, 05:38 AM
Is this the one you are talking about?? The other place?! (http://www.frontpagemail.com/forum/link.asp?TOPIC_ID=2144)
spollin
04-05-2002, 02:08 AM
thats the one - cheers!
awasson
04-06-2002, 01:29 AM
Good morning..... I mean hey it's late I'm headign to bed, but....... have a look at this gem:

http://javascript.internet.com/miscellaneous/advanced-meta-tag-generator.html

I just used it to recreate meta tags for 3 sites this afternoon...... took no time at all.

Cheers,
Andrew
LittleMan
04-28-2002, 06:05 PM
I tried that meta tag creator and have tags for www.presidentsgroup.com

I made them a couple of months ago, but when you search for something like 'The President's Group' in Google I get some weird discription for what's on the page as opposed to what I have listed under my description tag. How do I fix this?

-Ryan.
GWDGuy
04-28-2002, 10:08 PM
Hi we have an easy one to use also:

http://www.gwdhosting.com/free_meta_tags_builder.htm

LittleMan;

To answer your question why something shows up different in Google is because Google does not read meta tags like most of the other search engines so what you have in your description and keywords mean nothing to Google or Yahoo.

Now on the other hand MSN, AOL and most of the other major search engines do read these tags.

Search engines are a funny animal and there is a lot more to it than most people think

Robert
LittleMan
04-28-2002, 10:10 PM
How do these search engines rank your site? By hits? keywords?
GWDGuy
04-28-2002, 10:19 PM
Google Actually ranks by the words you have on the site itself and the relevance between those words and your title tag.

MSN and AOl use the URL, Title, Keywords, description and then looks for those words in the first 40-45 words on your page for relevance to deside placement.

Having a lot of links from other websites does not hurt at all either.

We have gotten a lot of great rankings in all the search engines, without using strange keywords either. the trick is finding what the website is doing and feeding the search engine what they want to see.

#1 in both top engines

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=heavy+marine+salvage

http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=heavy+marine+salvage&hc=0&hs=1

http://search.msn.com/results.asp?RS=CHECKED&FORM=MSNH&v=1&q=heavy+marine+salvage

The above is two examples of search rankings we did for someone. We did not build the site we just did their key words and had them fix several problems in the page. The companies main focus is heavy marine salvage and we hit #1 in both engine within 7 days.

We have had at least 25 top ten ranking on customers sites.
Some are easier then others..

Robert
awasson
05-02-2002, 11:38 AM
Hey Ryan (littleMan)

I was thinking about that problem you had with the descriptions on Google, and I think I may have a solution for you.

Right after the <body> tag before anything else, insert a comment with the description that you want read. Don't put too big a description or repeat too many words or the spam filters will trigger and it'll dump your page.

I used this technique for our website (incomplete) Flash page and of course there is no text to read but we get good indexing with a comment:
http://www.google.ca/search?q=Luna+Design+%26+Communications&hl=en&meta=

Now I just have to build the dang site!! :rolleyes:
awasson
05-02-2002, 12:11 PM
Update:

Hmmmmm disregard the last post about using comments...

I just checked my comment tags and they had totally different info from the metas. (I just changed them to be the same as the metas.... They used to say some nonsense about the site being under construction and it would be up soon please check back etc.....)

Bottom line is the meta description tag seems to read on google and be used during indexing..... And there I was thinking I had some new indexing trick :mad:

Sorry bout that Ryan definitely use the Metas for Indexing.... I also get really good results with MSN:
http://search.msn.ca/results.asp?FORM=MSNH&v=1&RS=CHECKED&CY=en-ca&CP=65001&q=luna+design+%26+communications


See ya
LittleMan
05-02-2002, 02:03 PM
Hey Andrew,

That's weird though because the meta description tag for www.presidentsgroup.com reads:

<META NAME="description" CONTENT="Low Cost Life Insurance for Business Owners and Professionals.">

However, when you type in 'The President's Group' under Google you get:

... Guaranteed Premiums for 10 Years with The President's Group*.
$250,000, $500,000, $1,000,000, $2,000,000, $5,000,000, ...

Any idea why?
awasson
05-02-2002, 04:36 PM
Is it possible that the Meta Description has been changed recently but the site was indexed before then and Google is still reading the old index that was created without a meta description?

I have re indexed sites that had no meta tags and they still showed up but used the body cop rather than anything else.
LittleMan
05-02-2002, 04:59 PM
Yeah the site has been changed...what does it mean to 'index' a site?

-Ryan.
no_mac_jack
05-02-2002, 05:47 PM
indexed = cataloged

It just means that the search engine's "spider" has gone to your page and made a record of the URL, search terms, etc.

~no_mac_jack
LittleMan
05-02-2002, 07:20 PM
How do you re-index a site?

-Ryan.
awasson
05-02-2002, 10:02 PM
It's pretty simple really.....

Go to the google website and look for the submission section...... It usually takes a while to find it because they bury it deep in the site.

Only submit it once though because they have filters that will detect and ignore repeat submission. I think the safe time frame is 45 days per repeat, but from my experience you need only submit once.

It takes about 6 weeks to see results.... Again, that's from my experience.

Andrew
GWDGuy
05-02-2002, 10:04 PM
Hello

http://www.google.com/addurl.html

Robert :):
LittleMan
05-02-2002, 10:23 PM
Have you guys read any good articles on indexing sites, etc? i.e. should the keywords that you use be included somewhere on the page?

-Ryan.
GWDGuy
05-02-2002, 10:25 PM
It takes a lot more than that for good rankings but if you want a great site to give a lot of info go here.

www.spider-food.net

Robert
awasson
05-03-2002, 03:37 PM
More here:
http://www.talkfrontpage.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=135

Andrew